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Stiles being an asshole over actual problems that are a huge struggle for people. I like Stiles, but lately I’ve been annoyed with how he’s been written. Poking fun at the kid who’s just been told he has a mental disorder isn’t funny, i don’t see how in any way that would be funny.

Or when Isaac spoke about abuse, which scars you forever by the way. Memories stay with you forever

after ethan says the twins were abused by their old pack:


it doesn’t make any sense to me that stiles would make comments like this.i always thought of him as a caring character. & he’s suffered mental illness recently why would he mock liam?

He’s always been like that, though. Like—okay, maybe you don’t like that aspect of his character and yes, there’s a lot of inconsistent writing, but this isn’t one of those things.

The thing is, the thing that I feel like a lot of people like to kind of ignore when it comes to Stiles, is he’s a little bit of a sociopath and maybe also a little bit of a psychopath. I don’t have a degree in psychology so I can’t really break down the difference between the two, especially since they have a lot of crossover, but I find it incredibly likely that Stiles has a combination of physical dysfunction in his brain and emotional-slash-mental trauma, most likely from his mother’s death and being in the room with her when it happened, that has completely skewed his ability to operate on a healthy, normal social level.

I truly and legitimately believe that Stiles has a fundamental difficulty, if not actual inability, to see other human beings as worthy of his empathy from the moment he meets them. I think he’s a misanthrope at heart, and mostly sees human beings as annoyances. He has to learn to care about each person individually. Not that he can’t or doesn’t care about some people, because he very clearly does, but he also has a pre-established tendency to cling very tightly to the people he does care about, very likely to an unhealthy level. Stiles doesn’t really do casual friends (most people do). He has very close friends or not at all. This is in part because he’s that guy. I hate to say it because he’s the fandom’s darling but Stiles is one hundred percent the guy who would give you creepy vibes if he went to your high school. He’s a publicly suspected criminal (felon? I haven’t looked up whether it’s a felony or not but I presume that kidnapping is a felony) with a restraint order against him, which we obviously saw Jackson didn’t mind mentioning at the drop of a hat. He looks at high glossy photos of graphic murders in the middle of Econ class.

Let me repeat that:

He looks at high glossy photos of graphic murders in the middle of class.

It isn’t that he doesn’t understand that these things violate social mores. He’s too smart for that. It’s that he doesn’t care. He has to learn to care with each new situation and each new individual. He often fakes caring because he knows Scott cares. Go back through the series and look at how many times Stiles does the right thing because Scott directly asked him to. Scott is Stiles’ conscience. I am fairly convinced in most situations, if Stiles has an internal conscience at all he simply doesn’t give a shit about it and stopped listening a long time ago.

He reacts to stress by running his mouth. When he’s in a high-stress situation, the first thing that goes is his give-a-damn about whether or not he’s hurting peoples’ feelings. He says what he thinks needs to be said, or what’s on his mind, and it occurs to him after he’s said it that maybe it was over the line. He even does this to Scott in the first season. The very first season, to his very best friend, one of the few people in the show we have been given reason to believe Stiles does legitimately care about.

Stiles makes these comments because he does not care that he’s hurting people or poking at old scars. He knows they’re effective because he shares those scars. It’s completely hypocritical of him, too, because I guarantee you if the tables were turned and someone was speaking in that way to him he’d take it badly. (Whether I think he’d shut down and collapse into himself or lash out violently depends on a lot of variables).

In short: he’s Sherlock Holmes, he’s not John Watson. He cares about very few people, deeply, and does things because they want him to, and he cares about solving puzzles for the sake of solving puzzles. He’s not an inherently caring character. Stiles has to work to care, and requires people to justify to him their worthiness of his caring, and yes, that’s a terrible thing for him to do.

God bless this post! When I first saw this and saw people complaining about Stiles acting mean I was about to swoop in and say exactly what has been said above.

Guys.

You have to freaking accept and understand that this  is Stiles! Stiles Stilinski is not  a PACK MOM. Dear god, n o !

Stiles Stilinski will do everything and anything to make sure you know he doesn’t care about you when he, in fact, doesn’t care about you. But on the other hand, if he has accepted you, and cares for you, he will cling to you, worry about you and even kill for you! ( And, die for you, duh. )

But this leads to something else I wanted to say and seeing how this post is already long, me making a little longer shouldn’t be an issue: The thing is, just because Scott is an angel, which he really is, doesn’t mean Stiles plays by his rules. He will play dirty. He will kick you in your freaking balls if that means he can win Scott a few more seconds and he will kill or at least try to kill who ever it is that endangers the safety of his friends and families.

I repeat:

 Stiles Stilinski is not a Pack Mom, no matter how much this fandom still  insists on him being one. He’s the creepy uncle you don’t want to sit around with because he talks about murder, blood and all the disgusting things that you really don’t want to hear about.

Also a huge thank you to skinnydefenselessheroism for writing that.

 ·; NOT TO MENTION HE HIMSELF HAS THE SAME KIND OF PROBLEMS. ·; AND HE PULLED THROUGH. ·; I DON’T THINK HE’S MAKING FUN OF THE CONDITION ITSELF BUT THE WAY THEY REACT TO IT. ·; ISAAC IS USING HIS PROBLEM AS AN EXCUSE TO NOT HELP. ·; AND WHILE IT IS A VALID REASON TO THE ARGUMENT I BELIEVE STILES DOESN’T SEE IT AS SUCH. ·; I BELIEVE HE COMPLETELY SEES IT AS AN EXCUSE. ·; LIAM AS ANGER ISSUES AND HE LIED ABOUT THEM. ·; HE DIDN’T TELL THEM HE HAD A MENTAL DISEASE AND IN THIS CASE IT IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW. ·; THEY AREN’T JUST TRYING TO HELP HIM ·; THEY’RE TRYING TO KEEP HIM FROM KILLING OTHER PEOPLE. ·; THAT’S WHAT STILES DOES. ·; HE KEEPS PEOPLE ALIVE. ·; AND HE DOESN’T DO IT BY BEING SUPPORTIVE LIKE SCOTT DOES. ·; HE DOES IT BY TELLING THEM THE TRUTH. ·; BY CALLING THEM OUT ON THEIR BULLSHIT. ·; PLEASE NOTICE THAT AS SOON AS LIAM TELLS HIM WHY HE DOESN’T TAKE THE MEDS ·; STILES DOESN’T MENTION IT AGAIN. ·; BECAUSE HE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT’S LIKE. ·; THIS IS A KID THAT WATCHED HIS MOTHER SLOWLY DIE OF A BRAIN DISEASE. ·; A KID THAT HAS HAD A DEMON INSIDE HIM ·; HIS BEST FRIEND TRIED TO KILL HIM ONCE ·; HE KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE. ·; HE’S NOT MAKING THEIR PROBLEMS LESS IMPORTANT. ·; HE’S TELLING THEM THAT YES THEY DO HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT IT’S NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. ·; STILES CALLS THINGS LIKE HE SEES THEM. ·; AND HE DOES IT WITH A KIND OF DARK EMOTIONLESS HUMOUR ·; IT’S NOT ONLY THE WAY HE DEALS WITH THINGS. ·; IT’S THE WAY HE HELPS PEOPLE DEAL WITH THEM. ·; BY LETTING THEM KNOW THAT EVEN THOUGH THE PROBLEM SEEMS IMPORTANT IT IS NOT THE END OF THE WORLD. ·; HE’S A RATIONAL PERSON

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